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Vitals Check, Rap & The Hidden Burden Of Code Switching In Medicine. #468 Part 3
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All right guys. So we just got off a segment where we were talking about a doc who was making so much money on TikTok it surpassed. It surpassed what she was making at practice in OB practice. So if you miss that segment, go back and take a listen, because we have some very interesting quips on that. But now we're going to be apparently talking about the vitals check and dr knee wants to talk about me. So what you want to talk?
TikTok Doc Discussion Recap
Speaker 2about. That's right, y'all, we are back. Yo listen the vitals check. I started it how many episodes ago? One, one episode ago, all right, but listen that's. I feel like we need to start a segment and I want to start promoting that you be starting these segments all the time, and then they never last more than like three or four episodes.
Speaker 1It's true.
The Vitals Check Segment
Speaker 2So this is another one, and you guys keep tuning in because I love you guys and listen, help me get through this. Don't laugh at me. Audience Support me. So the vitals check is an opportunity for you to check in on our personal goals, whether it be mental health or physical. The big thing right now is physical for me. I'm trying to break 20 minutes in a 5K and bench 250 pounds. Check out the previous episode where I talked about that a whole episode dedicated to my vitals. But let's focus on you, dr Renee.
Speaker 1What's up?
Speaker 2My love.
Speaker 1What's your question?
Speaker 2forget, I'm not gonna say it what you always?
Speaker 1I'm not gonna say it, because why do you start ever since?
Speaker 2ever since you hit this milestone and we are able to put in more into our 401k anyway yo, I've been concerned about your health. Talk to us, let us know what you're doing I love it. From a financial standpoint, it's dope any from a physical standpoint what, what?
Speaker 1go ahead. No, you said you're not. I love it. From a financial standpoint it's dope.
Speaker 2Anywho From a physical standpoint.
Speaker 1What, what Go ahead.
Speaker 2No, you said you're not going to say it. Let's talk about your vitals. Let's talk about the health vitals. Come on now.
Speaker 1What about it? I started walking. No, I started walking. What's your Okay, so you know what Segment over? That's it.
Speaker 2That's it, Guys. That's how quick her vitals usually are. That's it Her physical things are grand opening, grand closing.
Speaker 1Okay, that's it. So, anyway, I started walking.
Speaker 2Why are you laughing? But you know it's true, though, right what? Because you'd be like opening shop, like I'm going to do this.
Speaker 1I'm going to wear all this gel and stuff and I'm gonna sweat all this stuff off and then you know, I'm not wearing the sweat the butter. What was the sweat butter? Whatever it's called? How you know, I'm not wearing it. How you know, right now I'm not walking right now?
Speaker 2my exercising right now for the for potting. I bet my heart rate right now is uh 73, we're not talking about your vitals go ahead, let them know come on I told you I started walking. How far are you walking and how are you doing this? Talk to us about that.
Speaker 1So I walk with a friend who's in the neighborhood and she and I will go out. We'll do like an hour walk, just walk around the neighborhood. We do it at a really brisk pace. So even though we're talking, we're like out of breath when we're talking. So that's how we know is working.
Speaker 2So you're in zone two. That's what they would call zone two, or maybe even past zone two. Go ahead, that's fine.
Walking for Health Journey
Speaker 1So, yeah, that's what I've started doing so far, and I am, I subscribe to thistle now. So it started out one way but it's starting to go another way. So thistle if you guys don't know thistle, thistle is a meal delivery program, but they focus more on like salads and like fresh foods, right? Um, the problem that I encountered I like their salads, but their salads don't have enough range for me and I there's a certain way that I like my salads and I don't think I don't think it offers that. So I started kind of cutting down on the salads and doing more of the fresh cooked food, which actually, if you look at it and you've had it before, I've made it for you before I think the portions are actually pretty big right, bigger than factor, right.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1So what's the matter? What's the matter?
Speaker 2what's this got to do with your vitals?
Speaker 1you're asking me what am I doing for my health?
Speaker 2let's talk about the walking more okay, are you doing?
Speaker 1it so I do it as much as I can. So really, I'm supposed to be doing it every day, but it also depends on if I have something that I have to do for my kids, okay, or you know, if I have something that I have to do for my kids Okay, or you know, if I have an appointment or whatever.
Speaker 1So if I have something to do for the kids that cuts into the time, then unfortunately I'm not able to walk. So I would say probably over the last two or three weeks I've probably walked maybe three or four times a week.
Speaker 2That's good. You're definitely doing over a mile. So you're definitely doing over a mile yes, definitely doing over a mile for sure. I think it's time to get you like a Fitbit. I would like a fit because they actually my, my walking partner, and I, we talked about that, yeah.
Speaker 2I like it because like those things, because I think it what it does is it gamifies certain things, like you're like all right, well, like we did 5 000 steps today, maybe we can do 5 000 and one. I just think it helps to keep you like so.
Speaker 2For me, what's already dope is that you found somebody to exercise with so I gotta give you mad props for that if you were doing this by yourself, I was like I don't know how long it's gonna last and stuff, but the fact that you got somebody else involved, they gonna make sure that you stay accountable yeah, we keep each other accountable.
Speaker 1We talked about doing potentially a goal of 10,000 steps did you?
Speaker 2you thought she was gonna get out of this by talking about food. Maybe you better talk about what you walking yeah, but that's important too. Like you can't, I like this food you know, the salads are really not man. You better stick to the walks what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1huh, what's wrong with you? What's?
Speaker 2the matter. I caught you trying to get out of it.
Speaker 1How am I trying to get out of it? Nii, you asked me what am I doing for my health? That's what I'm doing. I don't get it. So you wanted me to mention Fitbit.
Speaker 2No, I didn't want you to mention it.
Speaker 1Well then, that's the question you asked me.
Speaker 2But you kind of talked really shortly about it.
Speaker 1I walk over a mile walk for it for about an hour is what I said, and we do it at a brisk pace. That's peace.
Speaker 3That's what I said that's bad on the sand so keep going but that's it.
Speaker 1That's all I'm doing, that's it, I'm not committing. I'm not committing to anymore.
Speaker 2I'm proud of you. I'm no listen you guys know, she's telling me to clear out. Yeah, look at that, go ahead, clear. You guys know I don't like I don't like to exercise you know how asinine that sounds how does that sound asinine? I don't like. You are a doctor, right? You can't be putting that information out listen, I don't like it.
Speaker 1I didn't say I don't do it. I said I don't like it you don't do it I'm doing it now. That's why we talking about me but go ahead, keep going okay, that's why we're talking about me. I don't like it, but I, I do it. I don't do things consistently, but I am always exercising. It's not just it's just not.
Speaker 2You pardon, what do you mean? You always exercising? It's just not consistent what was the exercise before you started walking several weeks ago? What was the?
Speaker 1exercise. I had a personal trainer.
Speaker 2No, no, no, Yo, yo. How long ago was that personal trainer Me?
Speaker 1Well, I mean but that's what I'm saying is that it's always inconsistent, hey guys.
Speaker 2This is content over everything. I love you guys, so we like to share a lot. As soon as we stop podcast, as soon as we stop, as soon as we stop the show, it's going to be a quiet night. I am in trouble. I am.
Speaker 1I am quitting this podcast. You are not quitting this podcast.
Speaker 2This is how you got famous. This is how you got famous.
Speaker 1I'm Rory and Maul.
Speaker 2All right, let's transition to something real quick, I don't want to go into another thing, but I want to know what are two controversial takes that you want to share. Are there any controversial?
Speaker 3takes.
Speaker 2Any controversial takes Any yeah anything.
Speaker 1I told you the hero thing.
Speaker 2That was one. All right, give me the. You know anything that's like yo like. I hate when people do this.
Controversial Takes on Rap
Speaker 1I hate when you put me on the spot with things like this because we're not talking about any very specific thing. Now, if you ask me about a very specific thing and we're having like a discussion, I could say, ok, well, my controversial take on this thing is X, y, z, but it's like some random thing that I make no sense.
Speaker 2Can I go first?
Speaker 1Go to your notes.
Speaker 2Nii, so I got notes.
Speaker 1Exactly. Can I go first? Go to your notes me. So I got notes exactly. How do you ask me something I don't have notes for that, you coming off like the top of my dome but you wrote. No, but you guys, I don't use chat you know, just tuning in to hear us argue now.
Speaker 2I don't use chat GBT for my notes. I just use chat GBT to help me with my intro because I'm so interested to see what it could do.
Speaker 1Please.
Speaker 2Now the two controversial takes that I want to share are folks don't understand rapping anymore.
Speaker 1Okay, that was anticlimactic. But okay, Go ahead. No.
Speaker 2I'm serious, the way how rapping is, the way how music industry is, people don't really understand a true MC. What is the true essence of a master of ceremonies? What is the true essence of a lyricist? We are seeing that right now, but I think a lot of people aren't paying attention. You know me how I feel about kendrick lamar, right, I also feel the same way about clips um. I also feel the same way about who else I feel j cole, um, those. These are some of the people right now who I think are amazing lyricists, mcs. But you know, this goes back, as you know, caris one, chuck-hmm, chuck D. But the reason why I brought this up because I started thinking about this I was like yo, I don't play music, particularly the music that I listen to. I don't play that in the operating room. Do you play music in the operating?
Speaker 1room. No, but I'm not in the operating room the way that I used to be. But when I was in the operating room, yes, I did used to play music in the operating room.
Speaker 2What kind of music did you play in the operating room?
Speaker 1Sometimes I would tell them honestly what I would do.
Speaker 2Guys, there's always a rhyme and reason, and ChatGPT can't do that, so don't diss my notes. All right, my?
Speaker 1notes are real notes. What I would do is I would tell them especially when I was in idaho I'd say play dead people. Only, what do you mean? I only want death, people who have people who are dead interesting, so, but that would get me a lot of michael jackson, because michael jackson was dead by that point jimmy hendrix jimmy hendrix, give me um who else else Whitney Houston Died in that year?
Speaker 2Amy.
Speaker 1Winehouse. No, I never really Listened to Amy Winehouse. I didn't actually know who Amy Winehouse was when she died. I only knew her after she died.
Speaker 2Queen? Yeah, no, not really.
Speaker 1It was mostly like R&B, so you let them choose. But R&B dead people, but r&b dead people, like r&b dead people.
Speaker 2It wasn't just like just anybody, it was like r&b dead people, so I I used to play music, but I I would play music, so I would have my phone attached, like you know, do the pairing to the the speakers and my list was what do you call? It Was a like what's the best way I could describe it? It was non-explicit on purpose, right, you know cause I, you don't want to offend people, I don't want to offend people and then, like you know, there's some really good music out there and I just didn't want to hear it you don't want to play.
Speaker 1no freaking, get money by. I don't want people saying the N word, it's just like yo, you know, you know what I'm saying. Get money.
Speaker 2What you saying, huh.
Speaker 1Get money, what you saying what you saying, huh. Get money.
Speaker 2Oh my.
Speaker 1God.
Speaker 2Yo 95. Yo you guys had to be there. Everybody who wasn't outside in 94, 95. Oh my god, yo biggie yo that whole junior mafia oh my gosh anyway, here's another one, here's another one, here's another one, here's another one.
Speaker 1Code switching oh so that's a hot take, that's a hot take.
Speaker 2What do you think about code switching? Do you code code switch?
Speaker 1Of course I code switch. Listen, every black person code switches, except for Ryan Coogler. Shout out to Ryan Coogler Ryan Coogler, just be like we talking. I don't care who the hell I'm talking to. We talking like this.
Speaker 3The first filmmaker that I started looking up to when I was growing up. It's a complicated question for me because it was really like two that I admired. It was Spike Lee and John Singleton, and they were the two filmmakers whose films I remember seeing first, like my first theatrical experience that I remember that was formative for me was Boys in the Hood. Okay, do you want to?
Speaker 2actually is this another thing, because I really want to talk about code switching Is that a thing?
Speaker 1Yeah, it is a thing. What do you mean?
Code Switching in Medicine
Speaker 2No. Is that a new theme for this? Is that a new segment that we should be talking?
Speaker 1about? No, absolutely not. I'm not doing a whole segment on code switching. That just don't make no sense. We talk about it today. I'm not talking about code switching every single, because there's people who don't know what code switching is.
Speaker 3Yeah code switching is essentially when you and I'm the biggest culprit of code switching.
Speaker 2No, you're not. Yes, I am yes, I am yeah. I could code switch on this podcast right now if I could. Okay.
Speaker 1Carlton. Yo Jay, what Shh Hi roomie, that's called leaving me hanging, because my hand is literally left hanging in the air, but that's me code switching into Carlton, of course well, code switching is essentially especially for black people is when you you fix your vernacular or not fix it happens in immigrant populations, of course of course, but you make your vernacular so that it is more understandable and acceptable to norm. To like white Americans is the way I would describe it.
Speaker 2Yeah, changing your speech changing how you dress changing your hair appearance to basically fit the norms in the hospital.
Speaker 1Yeah, so I think everybody code switches to some extent. I think some people code switch more than others, but yeah, I think for me usually the code switching occurs more for.
Speaker 2Do you code switch? How are you with patients versus? How you are with colleagues versus like? What's your thoughts there?
Speaker 1So it depends Right Like I might code switch.
Speaker 2And I'll tell everybody I code switch, I might code, might code. I don't want to code switch anymore, I might code switch with patients.
Speaker 1I might code switch with patients to give them some level of comfortability, right, because I'm like, well, I'm, I'm the doctor, so I'm, I'm, you know, like I don't need to code switch because, you know, because of some specific gain I'm trying to get. But I might code switch for some level of comfortability for the patient, you know, to be able to kind of feel like they can express whatever it is that they need to express.
Speaker 2Gotcha, right Gotcha, I think. I think what folks who are not used to code, switching what they, what they're missing or maybe what they may be seeking, is like why and I think there's certain ways in which people talk outside of the hospital that they may feel uncomfortable. They may be looked upon as less professional if they use that. Yeah, yeah, if they use that talking in the hospital, even though obviously this person who may be code switching has shown and proven that they can be there.
Speaker 1Yeah, absolutely. I don't even think that. So before, before I ever knew the word code switching, right, there is the notion that there's a professional way to speak and then there's a non-professional way of speaking.
Speaker 2So we greet like this Yo what up? Yo you chilling?
Speaker 1But in the hospital we may be like oh sir, hey, dr Rene, how are you doing today? Oh, how are you, how are you?
Speaker 2buddy.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2That's an example right there guys. So, Alfred put that in black and white.
Speaker 1But I think that you know there, before I even knew what code switching was right. It was no, this is the professional way of speaking and this is a non-professional way of speaking which you know now that I'm older and I understand. You know certain things, live through life, you know all kinds of things. I'm like no, what's professional is what I do overall right. The way I speak doesn't necessarily right the the accent in which I speak right doesn't necessarily right. The accent in which I speak right doesn't necessarily dictate whether or not you know I'm professional right.
Speaker 1Like that doesn't dictate that right. There are things that are professional versus non-professional right. For example, you're not going to go in and be profane. That is unprofessional right. Like that's just unprofessional. It doesn't matter if you're doing it with a you know what do they call that New England accent. Or if you're doing it, you know, using Ebonics. You remember Ebonics?
Speaker 2Whatever happened to?
Speaker 1Ebonics, what the hell happened to?
Speaker 2it. But people from the south of Boston, though, because I always wonder like folks from like the south of, was the south Boston? Yes, like they have.
Speaker 1I'm in.
Speaker 2They have a big dialect issue, right, yeah, I wonder if they feel that issue also.
Speaker 1I don't know, but there I was watching something about like that whole, that whole like New England accent. When you watch like these old shows, especially you know the shows that had more white people on it, where they have this way of talking, that is just very, you know, kind of it's. It's almost like it wants to be British but it just doesn't quite get to the British accent. In the United States it's almost like it wants to be British but it just doesn't quite get to the British accent.
Speaker 2You're talking about in the United States. In the United States, oh, okay, yeah, okay gotcha.
Speaker 1It's almost like it wants to be British but it doesn't get quite to the British accent, and so that particular accent then became kind of the well, this is how you're supposed to speak properly, right, and so that went on for many, many years, right, and so that that went on for many, many years. And I think, you know, especially in the era that we grew up, you know, with our parents essentially being, you know, baby boomers, I think we got, you know, I think that hell, yeah, I think we got the the there's no room for what?
Speaker 2do you call it for non-being able if you can't code switch?
Speaker 2yeah that's a problem because listen, guys, like to a lot of people, code switching is survival, right, like you cannot go into a hospital, excuse me, we were trained to know that there's a certain way in which we got to present ourselves, even though we may talk a different way. We may talk in slang not all of us, obviously right but like there's a certain comfortability that me and Renee may have with each other, we may talk a certain way outside of the hospital that we just don't do in the hospital.
Speaker 1Right.
Speaker 2Anybody who's listening to the show. You know what I'm talking about, right, if you know, you know, right, and I think what I think about sometimes is it could be fatiguing, right, because we've we've heard some people talk about that when they go into residency or when they become attendings, depending on which neighborhood they decide to work in, it could be kind of fatiguing, you know to constantly.
Speaker 1They're speaking in an accent constantly.
Speaker 2They feel like it's on their mind.
Speaker 1That's the thing.
Speaker 2I've never felt that way, but I always think about that. Like man, it must be like that's got to be tough. You feel like you walk into a room and people are perceiving you a certain way, or you feel like you have to change. Like you said, you're speaking in an accent that is not comfortable for you.
Speaker 1It's not comfortable for you, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2I like how you mentioned the whole concept of well, look, if you're speaking profane, we're not talking about that Right, we're not talking about that right, we're not talking about this because I'm saying that's, that's non-professional. Yeah, like we are, no matter what accent you speak.
Speaker 1Like we got to set the boundaries, yeah there and stuff but I, like I said, I think that people code switch to a certain extent and some people code switch to completely change who. They are right. I remember when I was applying for medical school and at that point, you know, I didn't have the relaxer in my hair anymore. I hadn't had a relaxer in my hair for, like I don't know, almost almost five years or five years.
Speaker 2It explains for them, right.
Speaker 1So relaxers or relaxer, usually black women. If they get a relaxer, it's usually to straighten their hair Dark and lovely PCBG.
Speaker 2What is it? Pcbj or TCBY?
Speaker 1Yeah, straighten their hair. Dark and lovely pcbj what is it? Pcbj? Or tcby, yeah, something like that. I don't even remember what the yeah, but dark and lovely was definitely one put it right in the roots yeah, so you know that was that creamy crack, all that um.
Speaker 1so yeah, I hadn't had a relaxer at that point since my last year of college. Like, I took out the relaxer, I let it grow out and was wearing my natural hair and I got asked if I was going to relax my hair or straighten my hair for my interviews.
Speaker 2Who asked you that?
Speaker 1A cousin of mine, okay, and I was like, well, how were you wearing your hair? That A cousin of mine, okay, and I was like Well, how were you wearing your hair before? Was it like it was just twisted. I would twist it sometimes or I would just, you know, sometimes braid it. I didn't even used to wear extensions at that point in my hair.
Speaker 2I was just like I'm done with extensions I don't think I've ever seen you with extensions with extensions, of course you see me with extensions. Babe, I had extensions last year?
Speaker 1what about in med?
Speaker 2school. No, okay, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1Yeah, no, I haven't had extensions. Well, the first time I put in its extensions since you met me was last year yeah don't do that again, though you're not crazy about those things.
Speaker 1So, anyway, I'm not crazy about them either but lucky, we married anyway, please, anyway, every now and then I would put in extensions, but at that point I wasn't even wearing extensions because I felt it was just too much maintenance for me. Take, I didn't like taking out the extension, so I wouldn't do that, so I would just wear my hair, that's it. And so I got asked if I was going to change my hair for my interviews. Was I going to straighten my hair? And I was like, for what? And honestly I will tell you at that point now you got to remember I'm like 26 years old at this point I really did not understand the concept of you like that. There were places where you that would not accept my kinky hair. I didn't get that concept. I really didn't what about?
Speaker 2what about a dude? What do you advice? Because you work a lot with pre-meds, you work a lot with med students mm-hmm they're gonna go on interviews. What do you? What advice do you give to like a guy who may have um locks, locks, cornrows, keep them, things like that keep them, you know keep. Keep your locks, you know you don't ever give the advice of like you just got to get through the door first.
Authenticity in Medical Interviews
Speaker 1Like get through, like the interview first get accepted first, then do what you can do. No, I don't, because I feel like that sets you up for really bad imposter syndrome. Really bad imposter syndrome, yo Renee yo come on yo. I don't like to do that.
Speaker 2I had that in my notes. Actually imposter syndrome.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't like to do that. I know that there are people who give that advice. I personally do not give that advice because I don't like to set people up for imposter syndrome so you want them to show up authentic show, show up authentically.
Speaker 1Now I want to be clear on this, though right, there is professional hair and there is unprofessional hair there is you know, just because you have natural hair right, naturally kinky hair doesn't mean that every single hairstyle is for the workplace. You can have your natural hair but still wear professional hairstyles right. So I don't expect a white person to come in with punk rock hair. For me that would be considered unprofessional. That's not usually the way that we would, you know that we would accept it. Now, that's just me, the way that I grew up you're cooking, that's that's what I like. I don't expect punk rock hair at an interview what about?
Speaker 2what do you call it right? What do you call that thing party? What business in the front party in the back? What do you call a mullet, mullet, yeah, that should be banned altogether.
Speaker 1Okay, nobody should be wearing a mullet. Nobody, even hockey, I nobody. I don't care. If you're canadian, I don't care, no mullet.
Speaker 2Hey, we'll fold you up. We'll fold you up. No, you heard drake. He's coming back. Oh, what did I miss? He need a mullet. He got a hit. Now, what did I miss? He need a mullet. Yo, drake is coming back.
Speaker 1For real, though okay, well, maybe I'm mullet I know, I know that was your favorite. He was your favorite whatever, I couldn't even name a drake song you love drake.
Speaker 2You love drake who?
Speaker 1love drake me, I don't even know a drake. The ladies love whatever anyway, move on, move on keep going, keep going, keep the topic going no, but yeah, no, I don't, I don't give that advice. I, you know, I say, if you're going to go, if men, if you have locks, put your locks. You know, wear your locks, but you know obviously make sure you grease up the between areas, guys.
Speaker 2Grease up the between yo. You can't be going and doing this greasing that between twist. Back in the day too, guys, I used to have twists, you did, I know y'all see me on YouTube, me like you. This mug is bald as hell y'all he ain't got guys. I'm telling you, when I was looking back in med school, I was looking GQ ish, I was looking like Tay delicious yo and I have my hair is in a twist don't say Tay delicious.
Speaker 1Yeah, I used to announce yo.
Speaker 2I said my hair is in a twist and to announce it. I used to have my hairs in a twist and everything. You did it for me, remember I did, I did, used to twist your hair, and that was the reason why I lost my hair? Because you twisted it too much. Okay, you twisted it too tight especially back here. And then you twisted it too much right here.
Speaker 1And that's what made my hairline recede. Yo and he what? Yeah.
Speaker 2What you talking about. Don't talk about my mom yo.
Speaker 1Okay, I'll tell her not to give you male pattern baldness.
Speaker 2See, we always got to relate it. See, guys, you guys think Doc's Outside the Box is just about like money, medicine and everything.
Speaker 1We give medical advice too.
Speaker 2We actually talk about medical advice too. So thanks, mom, for hooking me up with that X gene with the male pattern baldness yo. But you didn it too tight though get out of here.
Speaker 1If I can find a picture, I'm gonna give it up to put up there and be like yo.
Speaker 2This is I used to have twists in my hair. I just have a full head of hair.
Speaker 1You think I look better now or with hair yeah, I know, don't answer the question.
Speaker 2You're not answering the question.
Speaker 1I'm answering the question.
Speaker 2Hey, look better now bald does it bother you that men get better looking as they?
Speaker 1know it bothers me so much I can't sleep at night over it.
Speaker 2I'm so bothered. What about for women, though? What about it? You know, they do say that men get better looking as they get older.
Speaker 1Yeah, they do for a little bit, yeah, they do. Everybody's got to have their heyday, Nia.
Speaker 2When was yours?
Speaker 1Mine. I think my heyday was probably when I was like in my 30s.
Speaker 2Can I comment?
Speaker 1Comment.
Speaker 2No, I agree with you. Oh, okay, I agree with you.
Speaker 1Oh, so you're getting in trouble, because now you're supposed to say my heyday is now. Now you're in big trouble.
Speaker 2Oh, some reflections on this.
Speaker 1Change that topic real quick. Yes, what do you tell? What do you tell students?
Speaker 2I tell them everything you say. I say listen, man, where you're off, be authentic yo.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2But, like I tell them, like you know, look, there are things that are appropriate, there are things that are inappropriate. I, like you, know when your hairstyle is appropriate versus is inappropriate.
Speaker 1Right.
Speaker 2Like I, I can't, you know, you know right. Like, for example, should you wear Tim's on an interview? No Right, I can't work, you can't wear Tim's. I'm trying to work up, I'm trying to come authentic.
Speaker 1Yeah Me. What if you got heels on your, on your Tim's?
Speaker 2heels on your. Oh, they still do that. Yo, you remember that 2003, 2004, 2005. Yo, they went too far. They went too far.
Speaker 1But yeah, no, I mean yo code switching. Is it really depending? Depending on, I think, how far you go?
Speaker 2How about this? Have you ever code switched? Excuse me, have you ever switched out to a colleague in the hospital and they didn't recognize that?
Speaker 1How to make you feel what do you mean.
Speaker 2So you know how you code switch like you mask on and you're in the hospital, right, but did you ever I'm sure you've been around docs that you feel like you can take the mask off on and they didn't reciprocate? You ever had that?
Speaker 1No.
Speaker 2They've all reciprocated with you.
Speaker 1I don't know that I've ever I've had docs.
Speaker 2I'll say it. I've had docs that I thought that I could take the mask off on and like.
Speaker 1And they were Carlton. It was yeah, it was extremely. It was authentic. It wasn't code switching for them.
Speaker 2Extremely awkward I was like Wow. It's a lot.
Speaker 3I've never yeah.
Speaker 1I've never encountered that. I have encountered where I'm like saying something, I'm telling something in a like you know, let's say I'm talking to the nurses and I'm telling them a story or something, and like there's something that I need to say that just cannot be code switched and I got to say it like this but see, you're trying too hard right now. No, I'm saying like that's like you know, like I noticed, you know like that kind of All right.
Speaker 2Let me ask the audience, yo, when have you felt like you had to code switch in medicine? Send us a voicemail, let us know I'm very interested in this.
Speaker 1A voicemail, yeah, do you do voicemails now? We do voicemails. Yeah, we do voicemails. A speak pipe.
Speaker 2People can write in also we got it all.
Speaker 3We got it all and I need you guys to start writing and start looking for voicemail and let us know man, Come on Look at the show notes.
Speaker 2Don't just listen to the show, Just be like yo. He's actually looking at me, he's talking to me. I'm going to write in. If you don't even know what code switching is, still write in this show is for everybody. Of who.
Speaker 1Of people who are watching the show or listening to the show Like a romper room.
Speaker 2I wish we could do polls. That's what I want to do next.
Speaker 1Hi Jennifer, Hi Adam, Hi Adiola, Hi Chinwe, who else? Hi Na who else Keep going.
Speaker 2I mean, there's a lot Hi.
Speaker 1Hadassah.
Speaker 2We got a lot of different.
Speaker 1Hi who else? We got a lot of diversity. Hi Stephanie. We got a lot of diversity Hi Nicole. Who else?
Speaker 2Yo, you're leaving the dudes out. Come on.
Speaker 1I don't know dudes, I'm married.
Speaker 2That's a good answer. I love that answer.
Speaker 1I love that. Like that, hi alden. Keep going, our friends hi nate dr lot. Keep going well you go, keep going, keep going, you keep going, dr italo, dr italo hi, italo, you know, love is real pissed off at you but we always say hi to dr love we always mention it, dr, but he's like I should be there first, hi. Noelle.
Speaker 2Dr Noelle to you.
Speaker 1Anywho, who else? Who else should we say hi to?
Speaker 2I think that's it.
Speaker 1We have a lot of people Hi, letitia, but I also know what the algorithms do.
Speaker 2I know what y'all do behavior-wise. Y'all not listening. So listen guys. This is the end of Docs Outside the Box. I love you guys, but I know you guys don't listen to the end. So let this show do what it do. Make sure you send us a voicemail, make sure you text us, make sure you get in touch with us anywhere in Instagram, but yo, we're going to end the show right now. We love you guys. Peace, catch you guys on the next one.
